04.01.2021 16:41:42
traggot

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SweetasNuts wrote:

Origin wrote:

You're overwhelmed, huh? Poor little Christopher Roy Evans. Imagine, for a second, how the PB and her staff feel. Unlike you, we have to work with this site and its userbase every day. We don't have the luxury of being able to ignore it.

You dont have the luxury of being able to ignore a Bimboland that you voluntarily signed up to and can emigrate from at anytime? You have confused me with that one 

if you were actually paying attention to the user you were responding to here, you would see the reason origin is saying this is due to her role as the secretary of bimboland. due to this role she cant simply log off and ignore for periods at a time like you do, as shes chosen to take on this role and acknowledge the responsibility that comes with it. the same is true of the forum guardians.

04.01.2021 16:42:45
TokiKonoe

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Hey, I'm still catching up a little since I was offline when this started, so please if I miss something here, just let me know.

I agree with cowboy, Bimbo police name should be changed. It's very inappropriate title. Also voting level limit for PB and SM elections should be raised.I prefer "Delete your account" over "Emigrate from Bimboland". This is because majority of players do not speak English as their first language. So far every newbie who wanted to delete their alternative accounts, had to ask me how to do it. 
Contract is a good thing, it would allow PB to have more power but also more responsibility, without a contract the permaban button doesn't sound very good idea. Chris, I think we already talked about this. We can already imagine someone irrational future PB arbitrarily banning people they don't like. We need to see further than this moment.

Right now I can jail for one month or ban until the end of my term. I don't have permaban tool nor a contract, and I depend alot on TB, who unfortunately don't log in too regularly. It makes my job harder, definitely. Also, we struggle with certain bugs for long period of times, like most recently, people weren't able to log in via facebook. Also there is still a bug for purchasing senatorship/diamonds via paypal. Of course, PB will never be able to fix site bugs like that, but it would help alot if there was more staff or the staff was more active. But things like that are Chris's decisions.
Anyway, one thing Chris said earlier in this (or hello Bimboland thread) is right. You shouldn't keep saying "don't spend money on the Bimboland". The money isn't away from him, he's been open about how the money is spent. Most importantly the money is lost from Team Bimbo and we desperately need them to work here. 

04.01.2021 16:44:40
SweetasNuts

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Origin wrote:

SweetasNuts wrote:

Origin wrote:

SweetasNuts wrote:

cowboy wrote:

Chris, you told us "I will listen to the Prime Bimbo not to every single Bimbos who has a mouth and an opinion", and yet you are replying much more to general users than you are to your Prime Bimbo's staff. Both myself and PlushKlavier, member's of Tokikonoe's team, have asked you questions and you have brushed past them. If the Prime Bimbo said it, would you agree to change the name of Bimbo Police? If you insist on keeping the phrase, 'Emigrate from Bimboland', would you consider at least providing users with help text that tells them what the button does?

The problem Is that I am  overwhelmed with questions and opinions. This is a positive thing because it means you care. But it means I cant possibly keep anyone even remotely happy. 
So all I can do is to work closely with the democratically elected head of the Bimbo citizens right? 
I am not sure if I am even correct replying here.
Am I undermining my relationship with the PB ? I will have to ask her what she thinks 

You're overwhelmed, huh? Poor little Christopher Roy Evans. Imagine, for a second, how the PB and her staff feel. Unlike you, we have to work with this site and its userbase every day. We don't have the luxury of being able to ignore it.

You dont have the luxury of being able to ignore a Bimboland that you voluntarily signed up to and can emigrate from at anytime? You have confused me with that one 

Again, I'm a staff member, dear. And unlike you, I don't quit or ignore my responsibilities when the going gets hard. 

Well seems we have that in common then because I have carried the responsibility of the Bimbo nation on my shoulders for 13 years. I look forward to sharing more and more of the burden with you 

04.01.2021 16:45:40
Poison Black

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SweetasNuts wrote:

Your message is very well written and well thought out.
You care a lot about Bimboland so I thank you for that. 

However I do feel you are stepping out of line and undermining the PB.
As would I be if I were to engage direct with you on all these issues.
Whats the point in having a democratically elected spokesperson if all you guys dont respect her right to make decisions and work with me on issues such as below ?
bimobland is not perfect and never will be.
But the structure is there and so we need to work together.
I will work with the PB closely on ALL issues.

FYI permaban will arrive on PB account any moment. And ALL future PBs will have the perma ban.
I trust the Bimbo citizens and always have done.

But Chris, we're not undermining Toki. On contrary, we all thank her deeply for all that she did for us in only a few months. However, this is not what she asked for. Neither was what I asked for, being the one who was targeted for that person. We already knew that Toki care and no one doubts her even a little, which is why she isn't mentioned on the thread. I do want to believe in you and in TB again, but you're not listening either to the problems that Toki pointed neither what all the users demand. So, my question remains. If other people get banned by Team Bimbo, why this particular person can't? There is some reason why she deserved a different treatment than the previous repeated offenders? 

04.01.2021 16:47:52
Origin

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Well seems we have that in common then because I have carried the responsibility of the Bimbo nation on my shoulders for 13 years. I look forward to sharing more and more of the burden with you 

Bet.

04.01.2021 16:56:56
SweetasNuts

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TokiKonoe wrote:

Hey, I'm still catching up a little since I was offline when this started, so please if I miss something here, just let me know.

I agree with cowboy, Bimbo police name should be changed. It's very inappropriate title. Also voting limit for PB and SM elections should be raised.I prefer "Delete your account" over "Emigrate from Bimboland". This is because majority of players do not speak English as their first language. So far every newbie who wanted to delete their alternative accounts, had to ask me how to do it. 
Contract is a good thing, it would allow PB to have more power but also more responsibility, without a contract the permaban button doesn't sound very good idea. Chris, I think we already talked about this. We can already imagine someone irrational future PB arbitrarily banning people they don't like. We need to see further than this moment.

Right now I can jail for one month or ban until the end of my term. I don't have permaban tool nor a contract, and I depend alot on TB, who unfortunately don't log in too regularly. It makes my job harder, definitely. Also, we struggle with certain bugs for long period of times, like most recently, people weren't able to log in via facebook. Also there is still a bug for purchasing senatorship/diamonds via paypal. Of course, PB will never be able to fix site bugs like that, but it would help alot if there was more staff or the staff was more active. But things like that are Chris's decisions.
Anyway, one thing Chris said earlier in this (or hello Bimboland thread) is right. You shouldn't keep saying "don't spend money on the Bimboland". The money isn't away from him, he's been open about how the money is spent. Most importantly the money is lost from Team Bimbo and we desperately need them to work here. 

Ok the first thing we need to discuss is 'should we be chatting in public at all like this?' Or should we be discussing these things in private via email as we have been doing till now? 

a) Bimbo police. I dont find a police force inappropriate at all. We have a community and they need to be policed. But I am open to your ideas? Just please dont denigrate the community by using the term 'forum'. Actually this used to be called 'the Senate' at the start. We are a Bimbo nation and not just another boring website forum. Thats so dull.  What else except police? Perhaps this is one for a public vote as we discussed. 

b) Same with emigrate. I created the Fashionable republic of Bimboland. There is an element of roleplay here that we simply can not get away from and that defines us. When we sign up - we have to immigrate so it makes perfect sense to emigrate when we leave. 

c) perma ban - you will have soon  but once again I am disappointed you dont trust your fellow future PBs. We must trust each other or we will get nowhere. I trust the bimbos will vote for the most reasonable and worthy PB whom can handle power and will respect our great Bimbo nation. We must trust our democracy. 
More to follow on all this 

04.01.2021 17:01:59
Poison Black

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Just to correct me and let that clear: Toki didn't ask for the Permaban. She wishes that Team Bimbo was responsible for that like it was in the past when stuff like that happens. She doesn't want the permaban because - as she stated a lot before - we don't know who will be the next prime bimbo, and this kind of tool must be used very wisely and could be several abused by someone who's not that mindful. What she agreed and is with the permaban of that person, which is quite different.

And I think that the best way to solve this is to listen to her because she's the leader and we all agreed with her. What I want is to know that Team Bimbo cares about me - not only as a voluntary - but as a user who got threatened and was being targeted by rumors. And I expect that the regular staff - which means, the owner and the hired staff - deal with that.

04.01.2021 17:10:40
SweetasNuts

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There is something very wrong with what you are saying here. Either we trust the Bimbo community or we dont. I choose trust. 
The core of this site is my trust in you and my trust in Bimbo democracy ie by allowing you guys to vote in someone to run the community and have my ear and become development partners. And get paid for it. I am trusting you guys to vote in the correct person. Because then I trust that person with the power to create a good or bad atmosphere. And essentially help us grow or decline.  And so you must also trust bimbo democracy. You cant live in fear of what 'may' happen. 
We have to trust future PBs
One idea the PB and I had was for me to appoint a paid 'Lord justice Bimbo' whom can grant clemency to bimbos at the end of the PBs term should they feel they deserve it. But even then we must trust that Lord justice Bimbo. 
What it comes down to is trust at the end of the day. I trust you so please trust each other - we are all working to make Bimboland the most fashionable nation on earth after all 

Poison Black wrote:

Just to correct me and let that clear: Toki didn't ask for the Permaban. She wishes that Team Bimbo was responsible for that like it was in the past when stuff like that happens. She doesn't want the permaban because - as she stated a lot before - we don't know who will be the next prime bimbo, and this kind of tool must be used very wisely and could be several abused by someone who's not that mindful. And I think that the best way to solve this is to listen to her because she's the leader and we all agreed with her. What I want is to know that Team Bimbo cares about me - not only as a voluntary - but as a user who got threatened and was being targeted by rumors. And I expect that the regular staff - which means, the owner and the hired staff - deal with that.

04.01.2021 17:14:00
TokiKonoe

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Well, those things that I just said in my post are known by players, because they are the ones who report the bugs and they can also see when bugs last long. They can also see that some accounts are easily banned while other accounts are not. We can continue via e-mail too.
I will discuss with Pink House staff about more suitable name for Bimbo police. I'm sorry, but the name isn't fun in anyway and that title was changed in the most inappropriate time possible. 

04.01.2021 17:16:30
SweetasNuts

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I assume you are talking about ex PB HLB?
I am not getting into personal politics other than to say I trust the PB  and all future PBs and the Bimbo community completely. The PB will have the perma ban and all future PBs will sign a contract laying out their role and making it very clear what powers they have. We all must trust the PB. And in turn the PB must take full responsibility. 

Contract to follow after checked by lawyer 

Poison Black wrote:

SweetasNuts wrote:

Your message is very well written and well thought out.
You care a lot about Bimboland so I thank you for that. 

However I do feel you are stepping out of line and undermining the PB.
As would I be if I were to engage direct with you on all these issues.
Whats the point in having a democratically elected spokesperson if all you guys dont respect her right to make decisions and work with me on issues such as below ?
bimobland is not perfect and never will be.
But the structure is there and so we need to work together.
I will work with the PB closely on ALL issues.

FYI permaban will arrive on PB account any moment. And ALL future PBs will have the perma ban.
I trust the Bimbo citizens and always have done.

But Chris, we're not undermining Toki. On contrary, we all thank her deeply for all that she did for us in only a few months. However, this is not what she asked for. Neither was what I asked for, being the one who was targeted for that person. We already knew that Toki care and no one doubts her even a little, which is why she isn't mentioned on the thread. I do want to believe in you and in TB again, but you're not listening either to the problems that Toki pointed neither what all the users demand. So, my question remains. If other people get banned by Team Bimbo, why this particular person can't? There is some reason why she deserved a different treatment than the previous repeated offenders?