04.01.2021 16:17:12
traggot

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SweetasNuts wrote:

traggot wrote:

you should know the PBs team because you have legal responsibility over the contents of this site as the owner. to give an example here, last month i had someone use the debate section as a way to make a bigoted comment towards me in a way that neither i or forum guardians have any power to delete. if i went to the police and reported that as attempted harassment or hate speech, you as the legal owner of the site would also be held responsible for this.

Yes thats why from the next election we will be asking the PB to sign a full contract taking full responsibility. More to follow on this next week - contract being checked by lawyer now

chris, in this specific example, you would still be the owner if the site. you would still be the one who made the decision that meant neither i or the forum guardians or the PB are able to delete the debates of an account using the debate section to be bigoted towards me and make comments about wanting to kill trans people. asking the PB to sign a contract meaning they take more responsibility wouldnt change the fact youre the owner of the site and the one giving the PB their "wage" from the treasury. the fact things like this happen on the site is exactly why you should pay more attention to users.

04.01.2021 16:20:01
SweetasNuts

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If the Prime Bimbo said it, would you agree to change the name of Bimbo Police?


If you insist on keeping the phrase, 'Emigrate from Bimboland', would you consider at least providing users with help text that tells them what the button does?

Personally I dont think it is right for me to discuss these issues with you here. You haven't earned the right yet. 
It is the job of the PB to ask these questions to me. 
You should run to become PB yourself and work with me direct.
Then I will answer you.
Just because you are a Bimbo police officer that doesn't give you the right to expect an answer to every question and idea you have. 
That goes for the all state ministers, senators, police/forum guardians.
You have to earn the right to have my ear as the PB has done. And to make changes. 
She won the election democratically which means you guys elected her to have the ear of the President to get things done. 

04.01.2021 16:21:03
cowboy

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As things stand right now, when a user shares illegal, discriminatory, offensive or bullying content in the comments and debate sections of this site, there is nothing we can do as moderators to stop them aside from hiding the posts. This is usually accomplished by commenting a dozen times to push the offensive material to the second page, and calling on normal users without moderation responsibility to vote out debates. That's all we can do. I joined the forum moderation team here because I wanted to protect people from that kind of content, and I feel that way much much more now that we allow minors on this site. But we have no power to protect them in these areas, and you should never have made this site 16+ without giving us the power to protect users from those kinds of content.

04.01.2021 16:22:20
SweetasNuts

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traggot wrote:

SweetasNuts wrote:

traggot wrote:

you should know the PBs team because you have legal responsibility over the contents of this site as the owner. to give an example here, last month i had someone use the debate section as a way to make a bigoted comment towards me in a way that neither i or forum guardians have any power to delete. if i went to the police and reported that as attempted harassment or hate speech, you as the legal owner of the site would also be held responsible for this.

Yes thats why from the next election we will be asking the PB to sign a full contract taking full responsibility. More to follow on this next week - contract being checked by lawyer now

chris, in this specific example, you would still be the owner if the site. you would still be the one who made the decision that meant neither i or the forum guardians or the PB are able to delete the debates of an account using the debate section to be bigoted towards me and make comments about wanting to kill trans people. asking the PB to sign a contract meaning they take more responsibility wouldnt change the fact youre the owner of the site and the one giving the PB their "wage" from the treasury. the fact things like this happen on the site is exactly why you should pay more attention to users.

Yes I do pay attention to your democratically elected leader. You dont seem to want to respect that. I am not going to listen to each and every one of you because its impossible and will get us nowhere. SO please respect how Bimboland is run - we are going around in circles

04.01.2021 16:23:29
SweetasNuts

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cowboy wrote:

As things stand right now, when a user shares illegal, discriminatory, offensive or bullying content in the comments and debate sections of this site, there is nothing we can do as moderators to stop them aside from hiding the posts. This is usually accomplished by commenting a dozen times to push the offensive material to the second page, and calling on normal users without moderation responsibility to vote out debates. That's all we can do. I joined the forum moderation team here because I wanted to protect people from that kind of content, and I feel that way much much more now that we allow minors on this site. But we have no power to protect them in these areas, and you should never have made this site 16+ without giving us the power to protect users from those kinds of content.

Working with PB to resolve this. She will have perma ban within days 

04.01.2021 16:23:31
SweetasNuts

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cowboy wrote:

As things stand right now, when a user shares illegal, discriminatory, offensive or bullying content in the comments and debate sections of this site, there is nothing we can do as moderators to stop them aside from hiding the posts. This is usually accomplished by commenting a dozen times to push the offensive material to the second page, and calling on normal users without moderation responsibility to vote out debates. That's all we can do. I joined the forum moderation team here because I wanted to protect people from that kind of content, and I feel that way much much more now that we allow minors on this site. But we have no power to protect them in these areas, and you should never have made this site 16+ without giving us the power to protect users from those kinds of content.

Working with PB to resolve this. She will have perma ban within days 

04.01.2021 16:24:18
Poison Black

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Please, fellow Forum Guardians, allow me to re-post my text once. I got the feeling that it got lost on the other posts here and I want to hear Chris response for that:

  Just think that I should reply to it, Chris. Keep in mind that I don't wanna fight with you or offend you, but my job is to act as a mediator between those situations. People are free to express themselves at the forum as long as it doesn't break the forum rules, and I think the best way to prove that you care is by talking with them. And even if I change the title of this thread, this will really fix anything? People will only complain even more about it elsewhere as they stated before several times at this convo. In fact, we ask people to land you some time - I did it actively - and keep this discussion here until we figure out a solution for all that's happening.

We express a lot of concerns about the user's safety and the last time we talked - right here on this exact same forum - you told me that you understand why the changes are needed and I do want to believe you. However, the userbase claims are not being attended to at all. We change fuck buddies to lovers, but until now, that's all we got. Meanwhile, there's another ongoing question that remained open:

I presented a document with almost 50 pages with infractions committed by one particular user to Team Bimbo and ask for that person to be permabanned due to her behavior, mostly because she harassed all the moderators who tried to apply any sanction toward her. She's also actively spreading lies about us - The Prime Bimbo itself and her staff - and until that point, I don't see anyone trying to fix that. Team Bimbo permabanned several users before, I could mention at least two cases in which that happened. But when came to this particular person, nothing happened, despises the fact that it was required at least 3 times. I talked with all the people involved in it.

You told us that the responsibility of permaban someone must be from Toki. But I'm constantly in touch with her and I can tell for sure that she's still trying to achieve this. Instead, Team Bimbo gave her a palliative solution to this question that doesn't fix anything. As far as I can tell, Team Bimbo keeps saying that she should do that herself - which she can't because she doesn't have the required tools - despise the fact that it was already done by them in the past at least 2 times or pointing that it must be discussed with you (that the information that I got when I request it in the first place). I'm sorry but the dots don't connect and I still want it to be clarified. If possible, I would like to suggest that you, Team Bimbo, and Toki discuss that in the same conversation because every piece of information that I got doesn't quite match and we have the right to know what's happening.

You see, I'm an active user of this site. I contribute with designers, spend my free time moderating it, I use my knowledge in order to help it to improve. I never broke a single rule and I don't feel like my own safety is being considered by Team Bimbo at that moment, otherwise, something would have been done in order to avoid this person from repeatedly attacking our staff and even threatened us in your name, attack our userbase that belongs to minority groups and so on, like she did so many times in the past. So, you said you care about this website and that the title of this thread is inaccurate. Then, since you care about us and you care about what I and Toki and everyone else is talking about, what you gonna do to fix that situation?

04.01.2021 16:32:38
SweetasNuts

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Your message is very well written and well thought out.
You care a lot about Bimboland so I thank you for that. 

However I do feel you are stepping out of line and undermining the PB.
As would I be if I were to engage direct with you on all these issues.
Whats the point in having a democratically elected spokesperson if all you guys dont respect her right to make decisions and work with me on issues such as below ?
bimobland is not perfect and never will be.
But the structure is there and so we need to work together.
I will work with the PB closely on ALL issues.

FYI permaban will arrive on PB account any moment. And ALL future PBs will have the perma ban.
I trust the Bimbo citizens and always have done.


Poison Black wrote:

Please, fellow Forum Guardians, allow me to re-post my text once. I got the feeling that it got lost on the other posts here and I want to hear Chris response for that:

  Just think that I should reply to it, Chris. Keep in mind that I don't wanna fight with you or offend you, but my job is to act as a mediator between those situations. People are free to express themselves at the forum as long as it doesn't break the forum rules, and I think the best way to prove that you care is by talking with them. And even if I change the title of this thread, this will really fix anything? People will only complain even more about it elsewhere as they stated before several times at this convo. In fact, we ask people to land you some time - I did it actively - and keep this discussion here until we figure out a solution for all that's happening.

We express a lot of concerns about the user's safety and the last time we talked - right here on this exact same forum - you told me that you understand why the changes are needed and I do want to believe you. However, the userbase claims are not being attended to at all. We change fuck buddies to lovers, but until now, that's all we got. Meanwhile, there's another ongoing question that remained open:

I presented a document with almost 50 pages with infractions committed by one particular user to Team Bimbo and ask for that person to be permabanned due to her behavior, mostly because she harassed all the moderators who tried to apply any sanction toward her. She's also actively spreading lies about us - The Prime Bimbo itself and her staff - and until that point, I don't see anyone trying to fix that. Team Bimbo permabanned several users before, I could mention at least two cases in which that happened. But when came to this particular person, nothing happened, despises the fact that it was required at least 3 times. I talked with all the people involved in it.

You told us that the responsibility of permaban someone must be from Toki. But I'm constantly in touch with her and I can tell for sure that she's still trying to achieve this. Instead, Team Bimbo gave her a palliative solution to this question that doesn't fix anything. As far as I can tell, Team Bimbo keeps saying that she should do that herself - which she can't because she doesn't have the required tools - despise the fact that it was already done by them in the past at least 2 times or pointing that it must be discussed with you (that the information that I got when I request it in the first place). I'm sorry but the dots don't connect and I still want it to be clarified. If possible, I would like to suggest that you, Team Bimbo, and Toki discuss that in the same conversation because every piece of information that I got doesn't quite match and we have the right to know what's happening.

You see, I'm an active user of this site. I contribute with designers, spend my free time moderating it, I use my knowledge in order to help it to improve. I never broke a single rule and I don't feel like my own safety is being considered by Team Bimbo at that moment, otherwise, something would have been done in order to avoid this person from repeatedly attacking our staff and even threatened us in your name, attack our userbase that belongs to minority groups and so on, like she did so many times in the past. So, you said you care about this website and that the title of this thread is inaccurate. Then, since you care about us and you care about what I and Toki and everyone else is talking about, what you gonna do to fix that situation?

04.01.2021 16:37:50
SweetasNuts

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Origin wrote:

SweetasNuts wrote:

cowboy wrote:

Chris, you told us "I will listen to the Prime Bimbo not to every single Bimbos who has a mouth and an opinion", and yet you are replying much more to general users than you are to your Prime Bimbo's staff. Both myself and PlushKlavier, member's of Tokikonoe's team, have asked you questions and you have brushed past them. If the Prime Bimbo said it, would you agree to change the name of Bimbo Police? If you insist on keeping the phrase, 'Emigrate from Bimboland', would you consider at least providing users with help text that tells them what the button does?

The problem Is that I am  overwhelmed with questions and opinions. This is a positive thing because it means you care. But it means I cant possibly keep anyone even remotely happy. 
So all I can do is to work closely with the democratically elected head of the Bimbo citizens right? 
I am not sure if I am even correct replying here.
Am I undermining my relationship with the PB ? I will have to ask her what she thinks 

You're overwhelmed, huh? Poor little Christopher Roy Evans. Imagine, for a second, how the PB and her staff feel. Unlike you, we have to work with this site and its userbase every day. We don't have the luxury of being able to ignore it.

You dont have the luxury of being able to ignore a Bimboland that you voluntarily signed up to and can emigrate from at anytime? You have confused me with that one 

04.01.2021 16:41:28
Origin

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SweetasNuts wrote:

Origin wrote:

SweetasNuts wrote:

cowboy wrote:

Chris, you told us "I will listen to the Prime Bimbo not to every single Bimbos who has a mouth and an opinion", and yet you are replying much more to general users than you are to your Prime Bimbo's staff. Both myself and PlushKlavier, member's of Tokikonoe's team, have asked you questions and you have brushed past them. If the Prime Bimbo said it, would you agree to change the name of Bimbo Police? If you insist on keeping the phrase, 'Emigrate from Bimboland', would you consider at least providing users with help text that tells them what the button does?

The problem Is that I am  overwhelmed with questions and opinions. This is a positive thing because it means you care. But it means I cant possibly keep anyone even remotely happy. 
So all I can do is to work closely with the democratically elected head of the Bimbo citizens right? 
I am not sure if I am even correct replying here.
Am I undermining my relationship with the PB ? I will have to ask her what she thinks 

You're overwhelmed, huh? Poor little Christopher Roy Evans. Imagine, for a second, how the PB and her staff feel. Unlike you, we have to work with this site and its userbase every day. We don't have the luxury of being able to ignore it.

You dont have the luxury of being able to ignore a Bimboland that you voluntarily signed up to and can emigrate from at anytime? You have confused me with that one 

Again, I'm a staff member, dear. And unlike you, I don't quit or ignore my responsibilities when the going gets hard.