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SweetasNuts
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23.02.2024 09:53:21
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I mean to say if you take induvial freedom to its extreme then it means we are all just individual little states doing what the hell we like with no regard or care for others. Absolute anarchy with no shared rules whatsoever. I guess if we go back far enough in history to before humans could even talk or barely communicate then that would have been anarchic ie the cave man days 

ikubun wrote:
what does "right wing anarchy" mean?


23.02.2024 09:53:21

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23.02.2024 13:36:25
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Why are you allowed to post a few times within the main topic tho... that is my question 

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23.02.2024 14:30:53
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Mr Nuts, I think your fundamental understanding of the political compass is misinformed. that's okay, it's confusing, and political theory can be really inaccesible. left-wing isn't automatically synonymous with rules and right-wing isn't automatically synonymous with freedom because these things exist on different axes. (i would add a photo but i still don't know how to post pictures on here.) you are conflating the two axes together. if they were the same, it wouldn't be a political compass, it would be a poltical scale. the authoritarian-libertarian axis is the vertical one and this is what determines aspects of free speech, individualism, censorship and the like. it isn't something that can be simplified, quantified and numbered 1 to 10. even the political compass doesn't offer more than a vague indication of political leanings and they're a lot more complex than that. from what i've observed, you identify as strongly libertarian, but this isn't mutually exclusive with leftism. i think that is where you're confused. 

if we go back to the political compass (which, again, isn't the best tool for understanding politics, i'm just using it to explain my point), you can see that the horizontal axis decribes economic traits. economic-left and economic-right are potentially even more vague than trying to understand authoritarism-libertarianism but i'll have a shot at explaining. economic right tends to believe in private property, limited government involvement, free market capitalism, economic individualism, etc. economic left values higher taxes for higher tax brackets, redistributive wealth, social welfare and empowering the working class. this is difficult to explain because views vary across the spectrum and throughout the four quadrants, but i hope this helps.  i also want to say that i live in australia so my understanding of politics may be different to people who live and were educated in other parts of the globe.

i am not sure what your economic beliefs are despite keeping up with your campaign for the past few months, and i think it would be helpful for you to clarify this (even if it's just in relation to the Bimboland economy) so we can better understand your stance. social conservatism and progressivism are also different aspects to this that aren't clear. because i think it is confusing when you say you identify as right-wing but don't explain what ideals you ascribe to, other than your focus on freedom of speech, and a lack of moderation/rules. it's good for you to have a clear goal, but it would be pertinent to expand further on what your views are, since you are keen on implementing more politics on here. looking forward to your response, take care!

23.02.2024 14:30:53
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23.02.2024 16:39:56
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SweetasNuts wrote:
In my view of the world left and right are an axis along which we move from control and rules on the left to freedom and individualism on teh right.
Please do enlighten me as to how you view the axis? 




23.02.2024 16:39:56
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23.02.2024 20:26:18
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SweetasNuts wrote:
In my view of the world left and right are an axis along which we move from control and rules on the left to freedom and individualism on teh right.
Please do enlighten me as to how you view the axis? 

Instead of a straight 2D line where left=rules & right=freedom, its helpful to view it more as a graph with 4 quadrants.
The horizontal axis of the graph is the scale of left vs right. The vertical axis of the graph is the scale of authoritarianism vs libertarianism. (the left/right axis is more talking about economics, as social things like queerness or racial diversity dont inherently belong to only one quadrant).

So for example:
- authoritarian-left would be like stalinist russia. high economic control & high social control. this seems to be what you view as 'left'.
- authoritarian-right would be like nazi germany (or USA version of 'christian Republicans'). minimal economic control but high social control.
- libertarian left would be like an anarchic commune. economic sharing w no social controls. 
- libertarian right would be like free-market individualism (USA version of 'Libertarian'). unregulated economic individualism w no social controls. this seems to be what you view as 'right'.

I also dont know how to submit images on mobile, but you can google 'political compass' for a visual! Spacesignal posted a more detailed explaination above me. 
(also im american so thats why i used USA references, one of yall brits can add more relevant references)


23.02.2024 20:26:18

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23.02.2024 21:44:55
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the political compass is slightly better than the single axis of the left-right scale insofar as it adds a second authoritarian/libertarian scale but it is still a very very very basic approximation of political ideology and political systems and placing yourself somewhere on the chart is about as meaningful for communicating your politics as taking a meyers briggs personality type quiz on buzzfeed is for communicating your personality. 

to quote my favorite video on the subject, “these approaches fail because they don’t start from a materialist analysis of human society. they start from abstract ideas.

i know people are unlikely to watch that video so heres a couple of key criticisms: 
traditional left/right models completely fail to account for ideologies like anarchism, fascism, and theocratic nationalism. the former is a far left ideology that is based on the complete and immediate destruction of the state. the latter two are far right ideologies that employ great levels of state intervention in both the public and private sphere, typically in pursuit of one singular goal at the expense of all else; economic productivity, implementation of religious doctrine at a universal level, etc.

the political compass is better but still fails. communism is typically thought of as an authoritarian left ideology but there are subsets of communism, such as anarcho-communism, that also advocate for the abolition of the state. if you look at communism the way it was originally conceptualized by marx and his contemporaries, the end goal of communism is libertarian, under the colloquial definition of the term; a classless, stateless, moneyless society of collective ownership of the means of production. individual freedom is maximized in every capacity except that which allows individuals to be in a hierarchy above others (e.g. the concept of wealth), and organization is done through collective decision making. communism is placed at the corner of the auth left quadrant because of the transition stage to that classless, stateless, moneyless society known as the dictatorship of the proletariat that does involve significant state intervention and control. however, this placement does not account for the actual end goal of communism which is libertarian in nature, and the axis does not allow an ideology to be in two places at once.

this model also fails at defining authoritarianism and libertarianism at all. the auth/lib axis is independent of the left/right access. this implies that the lib left and lib right should be in agreement on what libertarianism is and find common ground, but this is rarely if ever the case. anarchists, considered to be the extreme end of the lib left quadrant, and communists, considered to be the extreme end of the auth left quadrant, agree with each other on many more things and far more often than anarchists agree with free market capitalists, even self-identified anarcho-capitalists. 

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23.02.2024 21:50:11
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Dear SweetAsNuts.

Please pardon me.

Hold on. 

For all these times, I thought you knew about politics work and how it works.

So in truth:

1. You have no idea how politic actually works.
2. You are forcing politics(something you do not know) in the website anyways.
3. You are running as President using Miss Bimbo without knowing about politics at all.
4. You are forcing players to participate in politics when you don't even know about it.
5. You ruined last year's Christmas month and hurt poor innocent Blecky89 over her PX role due to lack of politics yet knew nothing about politics even since then.
6. You are also ruining my most important month of the year (VALENTINES) the same way.

Why? JUST WHY? Poor Blecky ! Poor players ! Even your employees suffered!

How can you be so cruel to your players and all who are trying to do their best to make Ximboland be a place where we all can be together and be happy as well  as contribute?

I am not angry. I am just shocked and hurt that you are doing these terrible things to all the wonderful people who are trying to make your website a better place for everyone.

To find out after these whole many months, the final truth.

Also, I am upholding my right to speak freely in the Xemocracy Arena.

Thank you.



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23.02.2024 22:10:14
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broke: politics is a line

woke: politics is some squares

bespoke: politics is an interlocking web of social & economic ideologies that cant be neatly diaplayed in a graphic or chart



agreed that the political compass is still an oversimplification that leaves out a lot of factors - but it's still a good starting point for someone who doesnt know that right-wing authoritarians exist, or that leftism isnt incompatible with personal freedoms. 

(also left unity ftw)

edit: boo i thought i finally figured out how to insert pictures....but now theyre not showing up :(

23.02.2024 22:10:14

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23.02.2024 22:18:20
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Post the full link you are pasting into the box and I’ll tell you what’s wrong.

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23.02.2024 22:58:27
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very kind of everyone to explain how politics work to the misinformed owner of "the Internet's largest democratic republic"

i feel like this is a good lesson in the fact that the collective peoples hold more power than the governments that claim to control them

23.02.2024 22:58:27
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