18.03.2021 20:18:26
parmesan

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I think that the outfit spoiler for potentially triggering outfits is a great idea! Another idea I had would be to have a reporting feature on profiles so that if someone identifies something as overtly offensive/cultural appropriation in an outfit, it can be reported through a quick, anonymous blurb. Then a moderator of some sort could be responsible for making sure the claim is valid and let the outfit owner know (maybe giving them like a week to change the offending part of the outfit). I also don’t want to restrict outfits, but I don’t think using cultural appropriation is necessary to make the dress-up aspect fun. That way, things like bindis wouldn’t be misused in a fantasy outfit, or moccasin boots for a comfy/pyjama look. There are also still some problematic names for some items in the shop (ie. Indian headband - indigenous appropriation and could be more aptly named beaded/brown headband or something; a shoe’s name that starts with “African print” - what the heck is African print, Africa,, is a continent,, full of diverse people who aren’t a pattern,,)

18.03.2021 22:27:15
Cum_Dumpster

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18.03.2021 23:35:09
Crevette Cocktail

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there was something mentioned in this thread that i hadn't considered before (thank you to those that brought it up), and that's in regards to having different skin tones for different looks and cultural appropriation. there are looks i have considered where my bimbo's race is not the same as my own-- specifically because there are certain items or hairstyles that i really like, such as indian sarees and tikka headpieces, or afro puffs. i consider my bimbo not as a representation of myself (i'm a gay man haha) and rather as a dress-up doll, but i still want to be respectful of other cultures. in this situation, what is the difference between cultural appreciation and cultural appropriation? at the end of the day i'm playing it safe and not creating those looks, but i'd like to hear from any bimbos and himbos of color that have more to say on the matter.

18.03.2021 23:38:50
pierrot

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keep pushing tbh, i want this site to be a better place and to make people feel welcome to the community.
letting this die out would be goofy because this is an issue that's still prevalent, just gotta keep pushing and vote for a prime bimbo that has similar values 

19.03.2021 00:16:12
miesha

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Thank you pierrot, you summed up my thoughts. I will also keep pushing for the idea to be put into the game. A lot of you in power love to call us troublemakers (...for being a minority? Sounds suspicious, doesn’t it?) and if that’s what I am, then by all means I will keep “making trouble” until someone listens. I’m not a pushover and I know many others who are much like myself—ideas such as this have constantly been ignored and pushed to the side, such as the multiple LGBT secretaries idea. Which, by the way, we still would like to hear updates on. If anything, this is only a “hard process” because our voices are constantly put down and pushed aside because we are a clear and identifiable minority that seemingly doesn’t matter. We cannot ever have a safe community if the attitude towards these ideas is constantly stuck as “just let it go.” I’d love to ignore this, but unfortunately I do not experience the wonderful privilege of having a healthy brain that can handle heavy content. 

19.03.2021 00:47:27
traggot

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Crevette Cocktail wrote:

there was something mentioned in this thread that i hadn't considered before (thank you to those that brought it up), and that's in regards to having different skin tones for different looks and cultural appropriation. there are looks i have considered where my bimbo's race is not the same as my own-- specifically because there are certain items or hairstyles that i really like, such as indian sarees and tikka headpieces, or afro puffs. i consider my bimbo not as a representation of myself (i'm a gay man haha) and rather as a dress-up doll, but i still want to be respectful of other cultures. in this situation, what is the difference between cultural appreciation and cultural appropriation? at the end of the day i'm playing it safe and not creating those looks, but i'd like to hear from any bimbos and himbos of color that have more to say on the matter.

I'm only one person, so clearly I can't speak for every person of color and definitely can't speak for cultures that are not my own, but I think it depends on a mix of context and intent. There are some items that shouldn't be used by anyone outside of the culture they belong to (such as sacred items with specific cultural meaning,) although personally I see no issue with other items being used so long as the implications are thought out and you ask yourself basic questions about it. Is this outfit depicting someone of the culture this item or style is from? Does this choice hold racist implications, such as having an avatar of color exclusively for say, the (fantasy/sports/party/sexy) category? Could this, within reason, be taken as intended to be representative of yourself (such as exclusively having avatars of color as a white user, while giving no implication of this being a character)? If no, it's likely fine, though if you still feel unsure about the appropriateness of it I'd advise either trusting your gut and deciding against it, or seeking out a friend from the depicted culture's opinion.

19.03.2021 01:15:41
LillyAnn

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Juggalo Rights wrote:

if the level of outfit offensiveness is very subjective and moderation of it is a slippery slope then why are there outfit and theme rules for the pbfc? including ones that extend beyond offensiveness, such as themes that are too similar to past themes or outfits that are “stolen”? we’ve always had enforcement of those rules and i havent seen any widespread censorship or whatever is the presumed worst case scenario we’re trying to avoid here.

this thread wasnt created just because of the homeless theme suggestion, that was simply the latest addition to a list of offensive and hurtful outfits.

also, i only brought up the pbfc rules to demonstrate that the “slippery slope” argument isnt a valid one. outfits can be and are moderated without there being unfair restrictions or censorship as long as people care enough to actually moderate.

19.03.2021 01:23:40
torrenoia

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there is really no need to patronize people who are bringing up concerns and as the "minister of justice" you really should know better

19.03.2021 02:07:18
Juggalo Rights

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LillyAnn wrote:

Speaking of mental health and triggering content - these are not the topics that game is about. Game is 16+ and subjects to 16+ content. All content that is not in accordance with 16+ standards are getting removed. Your safety and mental health protection is mostly and firstly your own responsibility. If 16+ game is too much to handle maybe moving to 13+ would solve that problem. Since all of you who claim this game and its environment aren't safe for you are still here, and some of you have been playing for more than a year already, it only speaks in favor that this game is perfectly safe for you.

do you think being condescending and insulting completely unprompted is at all productive or helpful? or does belittling other people just make you feel good?

19.03.2021 02:23:48
Sarahxbunny

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As the one who has been identified as being responsible for being “a bit of a catalyst” for this conversation, and because I feel that I have been poorly represented and judged by people, I would like to add my thoughts. Firstly I acknowledge that while people have kindly not identified me directly it is hard not to take many of the criticisms personally because they are associated with reference to my recent PBFC nomination.

Bimboland will never be a nirvana. Some people like to avoid facing issues at all costs for a whole range of reasons, while others openly engage with them in the hope that it will destigmatise them and break down stereotypes and lead to positive change. There is a spectrum I suppose and we all sit on it somewhere and where we sit may vary from issue to issue. So I think it is impossible to expect there to be a ‘line’ that can be drawn and enforced that could identify what looks are and are not allowed (either generally or for contests) and will make everybody happy. But while you may argue where that line should be you should be careful about making judgements of people because really, unless you know the person really well, you know nothing of their situation and motivations.

My profile says nothing about me. Unless you interact with me you won’t know much about me. What you (assume to) know of me will for the most part be based on what you make of my looks and the same can be said about most of us. We should not assume too much of another person based on what we see of their looks not knowing anything of their perspective of the world. Our attitudes, experiences and opinions differ and we should embrace and celebrate that, not denigrate and question wtf is wrong with those of others that differ to the norm (unless of course they are truly harmful or need help). Our judgements say a lot more about us than they do about the person we are judging.

I am generally supportive of people who create and show emotional looks (providing others aren’t significantly traumatised by them). Many here have identified that looks portraying domestic violence (for example) may be distressing to some people. I agree. I have looks that include elements of domestic violence. Some of them are about domestic violence, while in others the domestic violence is symbolic of other issues. They are very personal, were very emotional for me to create but also very therapeutic, and I understand that some others might also feel emotional when looking at them. I have experienced domestic violence and suffer from my own mental health issues (I don’t offer you this because I want sympathy but because it’s important for context). I find the process of creating looks helps me express my emotions and understand how I am feeling in a way that other methods of communication do not. We should not be afraid of our emotions, we are emotional beings and it’s healthy to connect and communicate with one another. I do appreciate that a minority of people are deeply impacted and even crippled by their emotions (I have a history of that). I have been emotionally affected and brought to tears by looks from quite a few others but I feel that is my concern and I manage that. I have been contacted by a few people who have said that some of my looks are confronting, which concerned me and I wondered whether I should remove them, but when asked if my looks upset by them they said no (so my looks remain). We need to care for one another but we need to care for ourselves and if we are unduly upset by something then we should remove ourselves from that situation and / or ask for that thing to be removed. And in the case of a look that causes distress then we should consider kindly talking to the person whose look it is if we feel that strongly about it.