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01.06.2021 18:49:48
Namastis

Recently, I heard information that Volvo is using a one-pedal system in their new cars. In practice, this means that the car brakes itself at the right moment, and the driver does not have to worry about anything. Personally, in supermarkets, I most often choose self-service checkouts, which are much faster. Hotels have been implementing check-in and check-out options through the application for some time. Therefore, this month I would like to ask you - how do you think, will the artificial intelligence replace the human? Undoubtedly, the professions of the future are those related to technology. Do you think that in the future there will also be room for employees of other sectors?

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01.06.2021 20:18:35
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Yes, but there is undoubtedly a bit of fear that goes along with it due to uncertainty of jobs that comes from automation. While there are some things that a computer can't recreate nearly as well as a human, namely art. Your brain knows what is and isn't organic. The sound of a real violin will always be different than a computer made sound of a violin, and with a professional, it will be a clear difference. What computers and technology lack are heart and soul that make the things we create so unique and loved. Tech/AI are fine for the sciences, to an extent. But creativity? Even the most well programed system can't create like a human, not yet anyway.

Of course this also steps into the issue of capitalism and what it means to have jobs removed from the workforce as they get automated. Ideally, that would mean we can live a life of leisure and be able to hone our skills elsewhere. But, under capitalism, this is not the case. We've seen the fears among fossil fuel workers (an industry i whole heartedly despise) as green energy starts to take hold.

basically capitalism sucks ass and will prevent progress even as computers/ai/tech are seen more in industries lmao

01.06.2021 20:18:35
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02.06.2021 14:17:07
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I’m not for or against AI technology.. 

If has helped those with disabilities and created new opportunities for scientific advancement. 
If we solely rely on AI, the future would look bleak for many occupations as many would lose their job to the machine. 

I hope we can find a happy medium. 

02.06.2021 14:17:07
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02.06.2021 23:56:24
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Yikes. This is a huge topic. I will just focus on cars with automatic brakes & such for now...

I think some computer/technology features in cars are a great safety feature. I remember a time when I stopped at a 4 way intersection. There was a pedestrian crossing. I don't know if I was distracted or something but my foot briefly came off the brake. My car rocked forward a little but I braked again without hitting the pedestrian. I say this because acar with automatic brakes would be a backup to help pedestrians stay safe in situations like that.

Over a year ago, my car was t-boned. I was almost through the intersection when someone hit my back tire. The driver said they didn't see me. Again, of their car had automatic brakes, it could have prevented the accident. 

Cars with blind spot detection also provide some safety. 

I am not sure about 100% self-driving cars. I believe there have been accidents & they aren't yet foolproof. However, I do think that they have the potential to be beneficial. For example, many aging adults give up their licenses at some point because they can't see well enough, fall asleep at the wheel, or otherwise realize it is unsafe for them to continue driving. Self-driving cars would allow elderly people to continue to run errands. They might also work well for individuals with driving anxiety and/or disabilities. 

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04.06.2021 22:05:12
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In my opinion, AI is a fascinating subject and likely will make our lives easier in the long run. However, as Rose Diamond Louboutin said, the real problem lies in its use and the social inequalities that already exist. AI could theoretically make the world a better place and eliminate most of the jobs that people are currently forced to do. However, the US government is unlikely to provide any means for people to survive if they're out of a job. They'll probably just blame poor people for 'not working hard enough' like they always do. The propaganda machine works well here.

Europe will probably incorporate AI into their systems better than in the US. Some countries there already have a universal basic income. Unfortunately I don't think most countries in the world will be implementing universal incomes for quite some time, so AI will likely leave the majority of the population destitute unless the voters/population demands income. 





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08.06.2021 07:01:35
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I think we need to intervene at some point. I love Volvo, I really do. When I was younger both my parents had them, and my first car would've most likely been my dad's 8-year-old Volvo had I not gotten my bug instead. They're known for their safety which is why I wonder about us. AI may be intelligent, but the only people who can really understand people, are people. Robots cant anticipate us, they cant anticipate our driving either. The only way for driverless cars to work are for everyother car to drive itself. Sorry if this doersnt make any sense im one smirnoff ice deep

08.06.2021 07:01:35
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08.06.2021 14:22:18
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Ugh, I love this topic! I'm not an queen of tech but I love the theme and work with an AI company!

I'm sorry in advance if it gets too long, pfft.

I believe it is natural for human beings to fear the unknown. We will, without a shadow of a doubt, reach a point where the human race can no longer naturally evolve -- to be honest, I think this process is long over and the reason for this is our technological support. Let me explain: humans have the ability to create that most other animals don't, or rather, we have the ability to create with a clear purpose in mind. We create things to help us in our daily activities (like other primates too, who create their own mechanisms to open fruits with harder skins, for example), what makes us different is that we don't just take a stone to cut our food, we perfected it. We also perfected ourselves with technology. And I won't go far in saying that it's something super advanced like implanted microships. No, a simple crutch, a pair of glasses, these are all modifications that we can acquire to improve our quality of life as a person.

But we've reached a point where this advancement is no longer possible with accessories, we're at a stage where to evolve we really need to change, play God, if you like. That means we're in a static stage in human evolution, in my opinion. And, haha ​​the "natural" evolution of humanity is to adhere to Artificial Intelligence, what we forget is that we've been in it for a while too. Another thing we forget is that the timeline is not necessarily straight. It has several "s" towards the future, ups and downs. John McCarthy, who coined the term “Artificial Intelligence” in 1956, complained that “as soon as it works, no one calls it AI anymore.” So because of this AI often sounds like a mythical future prediction more than a reality or even like a pop concept from the past that never came to fruition. We think about sci-fi movies, we think about Asimov and his robots rules. We don't think about our phones, wifi, our current cars...

There are many different types or forms of AI. There are three major AI caliber categories: ANI (Artificial Narrow Intelligence), is the you x computer in games, there’s AI that can beat the world chess champion in chess, but that’s the only thing it does. It specializes in one area; AGI (Artificial General Intelligence), it is as smart as a human across the board -- a machine that can perform any intellectual task that a human being can (we are not quite there yet); ASI (Artificial Superintelligence), it ranges from a computer that’s just a little smarter than a human to one that’s trillions of times smarter -- across the board. ASI is the reason the topic of AI is such a spicy meatball pfft and why the words “immortality” and “extinction” will both appear in discussions like these multiple times.

That being said (oof I'm sorry for the wall), now to the actual topic ehgiurrghe Im so sorry.

We are actually in the ANI era. Our AI still needs our data to "think" and learn. I believe that the cars are a big step and kinda concerning in a way, not because I think the break won't work or anything, but because there are some decisions that a machine that is basically binary in thinking cannot decide and the variations for it to apply are enourmous. For example: we are driving and on our left there is a old lady trying to cross and on our right there is a pregnant woman trying to cross. To which side would you direct your car if you are in a high velocity or about to crash? How would the AI decide that for you?

ANI needs our data, that is why we need to prove we are not robots (that way the AI learns what is and what is not a tree, for example), the data complex, but the machine answer is simply a 0 or a 1. The more data, merrier the result. Is the same process for the future lawyers, doctos and all. The machine will absorb all the data about all court cases and look for some pattern. Of course there is a debate about AI taking care of humans -- would that be the best solution, because it is imparcial? Or would be a bad idea, exactly because it is imparcial and lacking of emotional baggage? But that is for another discussion.







08.06.2021 14:22:18
                                 
aphrodeasy
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08.06.2021 21:03:58
aphrodeasy

AnnaMorphosis wrote:
Ugh, I love this topic! I'm not an queen of tech but I love the theme and work with an AI company!

I'm sorry in advance if it gets too long, pfft.

I believe it is natural for human beings to fear the unknown. We will, without a shadow of a doubt, reach a point where the human race can no longer naturally evolve -- to be honest, I think this process is long over and the reason for this is our technological support. Let me explain: humans have the ability to create that most other animals don't, or rather, we have the ability to create with a clear purpose in mind. We create things to help us in our daily activities (like other primates too, who create their own mechanisms to open fruits with harder skins, for example), what makes us different is that we don't just take a stone to cut our food, we perfected it. We also perfected ourselves with technology. And I won't go far in saying that it's something super advanced like implanted microships. No, a simple crutch, a pair of glasses, these are all modifications that we can acquire to improve our quality of life as a person.

But we've reached a point where this advancement is no longer possible with accessories, we're at a stage where to evolve we really need to change, play God, if you like. That means we're in a static stage in human evolution, in my opinion. And, haha ​​the "natural" evolution of humanity is to adhere to Artificial Intelligence, what we forget is that we've been in it for a while too. Another thing we forget is that the timeline is not necessarily straight. It has several "s" towards the future, ups and downs. John McCarthy, who coined the term “Artificial Intelligence” in 1956, complained that “as soon as it works, no one calls it AI anymore.” So because of this AI often sounds like a mythical future prediction more than a reality or even like a pop concept from the past that never came to fruition. We think about sci-fi movies, we think about Asimov and his robots rules. We don't think about our phones, wifi, our current cars...

There are many different types or forms of AI. There are three major AI caliber categories: ANI (Artificial Narrow Intelligence), is the you x computer in games, there’s AI that can beat the world chess champion in chess, but that’s the only thing it does. It specializes in one area; AGI (Artificial General Intelligence), it is as smart as a human across the board -- a machine that can perform any intellectual task that a human being can (we are not quite there yet); ASI (Artificial Superintelligence), it ranges from a computer that’s just a little smarter than a human to one that’s trillions of times smarter -- across the board. ASI is the reason the topic of AI is such a spicy meatball pfft and why the words “immortality” and “extinction” will both appear in discussions like these multiple times.

That being said (oof I'm sorry for the wall), now to the actual topic ehgiurrghe Im so sorry.

We are actually in the ANI era. Our AI still needs our data to "think" and learn. I believe that the cars are a big step and kinda concerning in a way, not because I think the break won't work or anything, but because there are some decisions that a machine that is basically binary in thinking cannot decide and the variations for it to apply are enourmous. For example: we are driving and on our left there is a old lady trying to cross and on our right there is a pregnant woman trying to cross. To which side would you direct your car if you are in a high velocity or about to crash? How would the AI decide that for you?

ANI needs our data, that is why we need to prove we are not robots (that way the AI learns what is and what is not a tree, for example), the data complex, but the machine answer is simply a 0 or a 1. The more data, merrier the result. Is the same process for the future lawyers, doctos and all. The machine will absorb all the data about all court cases and look for some pattern. Of course there is a debate about AI taking care of humans -- would that be the best solution, because it is imparcial? Or would be a bad idea, exactly because it is imparcial and lacking of emotional baggage? But that is for another discussion.

AnnMorphsosis- I was trying to like your post and accidentally disliked it instead. I didn't want you to wonder why someone disliked it. Bimboland won't let me un-dislike it of course. Your post was very well-written. <3








08.06.2021 21:03:58
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