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how should we respond to people w deviant worldviews? discuss.

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28.09.2020
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scapegrace
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28.09.2020 20:41:12
scapegrace

ok idk if this is the right spot to put this topic but i just logged into gaiaonline after like 6 years and went to the forums and if u know gaia u know where im going with this lol. theres tons of nazis, incels, magas, etc on there unchecked. it made me want to log out again but then i was like, if i leave spaces that make people like me uncomfortable, am i and every other uncomfortable person just giving those people a space to grow? like do u guys think that we should be nice to people like that, fight them, push them out of spaces, or leave ourselves? i'm always wondering if the right thing to do is engage or not. because i see that when their views are met with antagonism they feel almost emboldened in a way, like they're some oppressed minority. anyway, tell me what u think 

28.09.2020 20:41:12

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28.09.2020 21:57:09
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i know exactly what you're talking about in terms of gaia and i will say they don't go unchecked exactly, these people get banned, but gaia doesn't ip ban so it's extremely easy to make a new account. same can be said about other online communities, it's so easy to just change your ip and make a throwaway email. they keep coming back because people engage with them and they feed off of it. i think the best course of action is to completely ignore these people, just block them when they pop up and don't let them ruin your enjoyment and leave because that's what they want. they want you to get exhausted trying to reason with them, they want you to get upset, they want you to leave the space so there's more room for their shitty ideology to spread. there's no way of changing their views and they literally get high off getting a rise out of people and making them uncomfortable. so just don't give them the satisfaction 

28.09.2020 21:57:09
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scapegrace
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28.09.2020 22:08:00
scapegrace

i see what u mean lol that's what i think too. i was questioning myself for a second because there was this one incel freak wreaking havoc in chatterbox and one user was being nice to him + asking if he was ok and i was thinking "ew why bother" but then he responded to them saying like if everyone was as nice to me as you i wouldnt lash out like this or something to that effect. tho i guess if we did play into that it'd be encouraging the idea that other people must yield to their behavior or whatever. i think the problem i keep running into is whether incels and racists are truly a lost cause and cant be reformed. but of course there's a difference between knowing/trying to help people like this irl and online trolls

28.09.2020 22:08:00

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28.09.2020 22:16:40
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scapegrace wrote:
i see what u mean lol that's what i think too. i was questioning myself for a second because there was this one incel freak wreaking havoc in chatterbox and one user was being nice to him + asking if he was ok and i was thinking "ew why bother" but then he responded to them saying like if everyone was as nice to me as you i wouldnt lash out like this or something to that effect. tho i guess if we did play into that it'd be encouraging the idea that other people must yield to their behavior or whatever. i think the problem i keep running into is whether incels and racists are truly a lost cause and cant be reformed. but of course there's a difference between knowing/trying to help people like this irl and online trolls
honestly it sounds like that guy was blaming others for his behavior/baiting for sympathy and doesn't deserve kindness but i am a harsh person lol. 
i think they can be reformed but not by someone online. and probably not someone in their life either. people become like this, they seek out communities of these other toxic people, because they don't have people irl that they can connect with. so i think the only time when a friend, family member, or online person can intervene is when they are in this vulnerable stage of isolation when they are only beginning to seek out these communities. once they're essentially radicalized i feel like only a therapist can help them, and they're not the types of people to seek out therapy. 

28.09.2020 22:16:40
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scapegrace
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28.09.2020 22:37:27
scapegrace

that's a good point, they don't want their views changed and aren't open to logic or reason. people often bring up that black man who became friends with and saved a bunch of kkk members when talking about this kind of thing and it makes me wonder whether that's like. something we should all be doing (esp nonblack people wrt antiblack racists) or if we should just push those people to the edges of society. it's kind of a puzzle for me because i worry that leftists are getting really insular in our thinking and hiding among other leftists in a way that might be unproductive. like that by saying fuck you to those people we're just pushing them further into the alt right where their views will be accepted and they'll be further radicalized. there's also the whole emotional labor thing and the fact that those people can actually be dangerous to interact with... maybe this isn't an issue that can be completely generalized 

28.09.2020 22:37:27

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29.09.2020 06:41:22
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scapegrace wrote:
 it's kind of a puzzle for me because i worry that leftists are getting really insular in our thinking and hiding among other leftists in a way that might be unproductive.

So this is something that I've warned people against since very early on. It may feel really good to only surround yourself with folks who think like you do and share your opinions and worldviews, but it's not realistic, and I really think that in the long run, it damages you and whatever you're fighting for. Having a space where you feel safe and secure and trust the people around you is one thing, but the world just doesn't work that way, and it's almost like setting yourself up for failure once you finally get back out there. You bump into someone that doesn't agree with you for whatever reason, and suddenly your fight or flight instincts are kicking in, your body and mind are reacting like there's a threat to your very life in front of you when it's just someone who (I don't even have a good example here, just insert something, because at the times that I've seen this occur irl I've never actually been able to figure out why these people flipped out).
I guess what I'm trying to say is this: Cushioning yourself and actively shielding yourself against people that disagree with you does you no favors in the long run. And the people with the deviant worldviews as you called them do it just as often, with really shitty outcomes when they have to venture outside their weirdzone. Sitting here thinking about it makes my head hurt, but the only way to actively combat this is to actively engage with these people in pretty neutral environments, and actively work hard to maintain a sense of calm for both parties, and make sure that everyone feels like they're being heard.
Or something.

29.09.2020 06:41:22
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